ND Senate: Gun owners can bring firearms to work

2011-03-30T17:15:00Z ND Senate: Gun owners can bring firearms to work Bismarck Tribune
March 30, 2011 5:15 pm

BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) - North Dakota gun owners may soon be able to bring their firearms to work, if they're kept locked in a car or truck.

The state Senate voted 41-5 on Wednesday to approve legislation that says business owners can't ban someone from bringing a gun onto company property.

The law says companies can prevent employees from bringing guns inside the workplace. But they can't bar them from a parking lot as long as the gun is locked up.

Minot Sen. Oley Larsen said workers shouldn't have to give up their right to legally carry firearms in their vehicles.

Williston Sen. Stan Lyson said the bill violates the rights of business owners who want to keep guns away from their property.

The bill now goes to Gov. Jack Dalrymple.

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  1. Michael R
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    Michael R - April 01, 2011 9:21 pm
    I was going to comment on "friend"s post before it got deleted but I got sidetracked with something more important.

    First of all friend stated that most guns are in fact for killing people and then made reference to the weapons given to Iran in exchange for the hostages. I think that is kind of funny, because this guy has no clue what he is talking about. He compares a legal hunting gun to large fully automatic weapons that only a government army can own. I thought this story was about guns in ND in common people's vehicles. I seriously doubt we have anyone in ND bringing a fully auto 50 caliber machine gun to work with them. That is just insane thinking. Well over 90% of the guns here in ND (where the story is about - not overseas military) are hunting or target guns. Way less than 10% are self defense weapons (designed to kill a person). Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know jack about guns or people in ND.

    Then friend went on to say that hunting on the way home from work is not a good reason to have a gun in your vehicle at work because there are so many more important things going on in this world right now - like world hunger and the military operations in Libia and Iraq. Actually there are a lot of things in this world more important than cell phones, wo we should all get rid of them. Same goes with 90% of home computers, snowmobiles, 4 wheelers, boats, campers, vacations, and the list could go on forever. Just because hunting is not the most important thing on earth doesn't mean jack. It IS a valid reason for someone to want to have a gun in their vehicle at work. The fact that other things are more important is irrelevant to the conversation because there are things more important than 99% of the things we take for granted - big hairy deal. His argument is so aff base and so insane that I don't know whether to laugh at him or be upset that people that ignorant are allowed to live amongst us?
  2. Tilion
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    Tilion - April 01, 2011 6:03 am
    I am just curious .... where are all of the posters that show up on every smoking ban article screaming about private property rights and that business owners should be allowed to do whatever they want their businesses? Isn't this the same sort of situation: evil government telling a business what it can or can't do?
  3. NDINS
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    NDINS - March 31, 2011 11:05 pm
    Michael R said: "Obviously you know less than nothing about guns or the people who own them. You say that guns are made for killing people. That is the downright most uniformed and just plain stupid comment ever posted on this website - cangratulations on that accomplishment. Let me give you a VERY good reason why someone would have a gun in their vehicle - well 2 actually. Ever hear of the 2nd amendment - yeah that would be good reason #1. Second would be hunting. Say you drive 30 miles to work and you get off work at 5:00. It doesn't get dark until 7:00 and you want to hunt on your way home since you have to drive that 30 miles past all the CRP and PLOTS land anyway. How do you do it? You bring your gun with you to work - along with a change of clothes. You keept them both locked in your trunk. No one sees them - no one knows they are there but you. You plan to change clothes and go hunting after work. Since your home is 30 miles away - you may have to bypass many of the prime hunting areas to get to your gun - so you think "what does it hurt to have my gun locked in my trunk at work"? I think that is a VERY good reason why someone would want to have a gun in their vehicle. Should that make you a criminal simply because you want to engage in LEGAL hunting on your way home from work? And before you ask how many people really do that - I know many who do. I was one of them for 4 years. My employer knew the gun was in my vehicle and didn't have a problem with it. There are very good reasons why someone would want to have a gun in their vehicle. You just have to let go of your paranoia and open your mind far enough to understand them. But you don't sound like the kind of person who is capable of that."



    Well said !
  4. Michael R
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    Michael R - March 31, 2011 10:33 pm
    friend said: "I have to ask why it is so important to have a gun in your vehicle at work? I thought guns were for two things: 1) putting a sick animal on the farm out of it's misery and 2) killing a healthy animal for a trophy and expensive meat. Farms and hunting - that's what guns are for right? Actually guns are made for killing people.So what exactly is the mentality of people that NEED to have a gun with them all the time? Whether its legal or not has nothing to do with it. Why? WHY? WTF?In this economy, depression, bankruptcy, health issues, anyone can snap. Why make it easier to have access to a weapon for a sudden bad decision? If a business does not want guns on their property, they should get to make that rule. If a business does not want smoking in their business - again, THEY should get to make that rule... not the government.I'm adding this silliness to the pile of crap like "waiting for divorce" "teaching abstinence" "no abortions" "no universal healthcare" "no selling offsale on sundays" - uffda."

    Obviously you know less than nothing about guns or the people who own them. You say that guns are made for killing people. That is the downright most uniformed and just plain stupid comment ever posted on this website - cangratulations on that accomplishment.

    Let me give you a VERY good reason why someone would have a gun in their vehicle - well 2 actually. Ever hear of the 2nd amendment - yeah that would be good reason #1. Second would be hunting. Say you drive 30 miles to work and you get off work at 5:00. It doesn't get dark until 7:00 and you want to hunt on your way home since you have to drive that 30 miles past all the CRP and PLOTS land anyway. How do you do it? You bring your gun with you to work - along with a change of clothes. You keept them both locked in your trunk. No one sees them - no one knows they are there but you. You plan to change clothes and go hunting after work. Since your home is 30 miles away - you may have to bypass many of the prime hunting areas to get to your gun - so you think "what does it hurt to have my gun locked in my trunk at work"? I think that is a VERY good reason why someone would want to have a gun in their vehicle. Should that make you a criminal simply because you want to engage in LEGAL hunting on your way home from work? And before you ask how many people really do that - I know many who do. I was one of them for 4 years. My employer knew the gun was in my vehicle and didn't have a problem with it. There are very good reasons why someone would want to have a gun in their vehicle. You just have to let go of your paranoia and open your mind far enough to understand them. But you don't sound like the kind of person who is capable of that.
  5. BigF150
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    BigF150 - March 31, 2011 9:48 pm
    Regardless of what your right's are when it comes to having firearms, it's irrelevant when it comes to your employers policies. If your employer says no firearms on company property including their own parking lot, where you park, then guess what? You wont be bringing your gun to your work place and it's that simple. Unless you like being unemployed? In reality, this is just another example of ND politicians wasting time and money that will result in no real accomplishments.
  6. friend
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    friend - March 31, 2011 1:09 pm
    I have to ask why it is so important to have a gun in your vehicle at work? I thought guns were for two things: 1) putting a sick animal on the farm out of it's misery and 2) killing a healthy animal for a trophy and expensive meat. Farms and hunting - that's what guns are for right? Actually guns are made for killing people.

    So what exactly is the mentality of people that NEED to have a gun with them all the time? Whether its legal or not has nothing to do with it. Why? WHY? WTF?

    In this economy, depression, bankruptcy, health issues, anyone can snap. Why make it easier to have access to a weapon for a sudden bad decision? If a business does not want guns on their property, they should get to make that rule. If a business does not want smoking in their business - again, THEY should get to make that rule... not the government.

    I'm adding this silliness to the pile of crap like "waiting for divorce" "teaching abstinence" "no abortions" "no universal healthcare" "no selling offsale on sundays" - uffda.
  7. Michael R
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    Michael R - March 31, 2011 12:56 pm
    Daviol said: "Michael R: A "cool down period" has been a fixture in crime and punishment for hundreds of years. If you pull a gun from your pocket and kill someone during an argument, you might be punished for manslaughter. If you have an argument with someone and go home to get a gun and come back and kill the person you argued with, you have had an opportunity to cool down, and will be punished for murder. The victim will be just as dead, but the punishment imposed by society will differ under the circumstances."

    Seriously though - answer me honestly - Do you really think that someone who hasn't cooled down enough by walking out to the parking lot is going to cool down that much more in a few blocks driving home? We are not talking about an argument with a gun in the guys hand already. He already has that cool down period walk to his car. Like Rusty said - Insane is insane - now or 15 minutes from now. Do you really see this happening or are you just spreading fear on the remote what if theory?
  8. Daviol
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    Daviol - March 31, 2011 12:41 pm
    Michael R: A "cool down period" has been a fixture in crime and punishment for hundreds of years. If you pull a gun from your pocket and kill someone during an argument, you might be punished for manslaughter. If you have an argument with someone and go home to get a gun and come back and kill the person you argued with, you have had an opportunity to cool down, and will be punished for murder. The victim will be just as dead, but the punishment imposed by society will differ under the circumstances.
  9. Michael R
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    Michael R - March 31, 2011 12:04 pm
    Daviol said: "Having to go home to get a gun does give one a lot more time to cool down than just going out to the car in the employer's parking lot to get a gun. What about a property owner's rights, here? Do employers have to close their parking lots to keep guns out of the workplace?"

    Lets follow this logic shall we? If guns in the parking lot automatically mean guns in the workplace, then guns in a car parked on the street must automatically mean guns in the parking lot - so they are already there - nothing new here at all. Or we could conclude that guns in the parking lot do not automatically mean "in the workplace" and get on with our lives and not try to read so much more into this than there really is.

    I don't buy the cool down period for a second. Anyone willing to go on a killing spree is not going to cool down in the few minutes it would take to go home to get a gun. This is the same thing that happened a couple years ago when the legislature clarified that you do not have to retreat from an intruder in your home and that you can "shoot first". How many people screamed how this was going to up the murder rate and all the "Dirty Harry" wannabes were going to use this as an excuse just so they could shoot somebody? Do you remember all that uproar? Did any of the horror stories happen? All those who predicted a huge surge is shootings - were they right in any what what-so-ever? This is the same thing - a bunch of fear mongerers explaining to us all the devestation and loss of life that they "think" is going to happen - when in reality NONE of it is going to happen.
  10. Rusty
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    Rusty - March 31, 2011 11:58 am
    This is a property rights issue. Your vehicle is your property, even the police can't search through it without probable cause or a warrant. I believe the 2nd Amendment tips this argument. As far as going home to get your gun, you may a point. On the other hand he would then have time to snort a little more coke or meth and really stock up on guns and ammo. Insane is insane, now or 15 minutes later.
  11. Daviol
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    Daviol - March 31, 2011 11:38 am
    Having to go home to get a gun does give one a lot more time to cool down than just going out to the car in the employer's parking lot to get a gun. What about a property owner's rights, here? Do employers have to close their parking lots to keep guns out of the workplace?
  12. Michael R
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    Michael R - March 31, 2011 9:50 am
    Rusty said: "To me, this law basically says that your vehicle is yours, and what legal items you may have in it are none of my business, regardless of where it's parked. To those that worry, I'm sorry, no law, gun law or otherwise can stop the crazy person intent on doing harm."

    Funny how those people who scream that everything is about rights don't seem to be able to see that it is a rights issue here - your right to keep your legal possessions in your legal vehicle.
  13. Michael R
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    Michael R - March 31, 2011 9:40 am
    Energy Efficiency said: "What could possibly go wrong with this dysfunctional N. D. Republican controlled Senate's decision to bring guns to work. On a daily basis, how many individuals are layed off or fired at their jobs in N.D.? How many of those individuals will carry negative feelings for their boss? How many of those people will "Go Postal" and start shooting the boss and/or the employees. It is a matter of time before sh.. hits the fan. Who did you vote for?"

    Do you really think that this is going to lead to anyone going postal? If someone is hell bent on going postal, they could very easily go home, get a gun, and come back. Do you honestly believe that anyone is going to think "I am mad and was planning on killing a bunch of people but if I gotta drive 12 blocks to go home and get my gun, I am just going to give up on the idea"? REALLY, do you think that is going to go through anyone's mind? If they are crazy enough to go postal, then they are crazy enough to home to get a gun and come back. The fact that the gun is already int he car is not going to be a determining factor for ANYTHING. Just paranoid people trying to breed paranoid thoughts. Nothing more.
  14. Hog Man
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    Hog Man - March 31, 2011 8:26 am
    Most CC permit holders have already been doing this for years. The only change is now anti-gun employers can't stand on a soapbox and claim nobody can do it.
  15. Rusty
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    Rusty - March 31, 2011 8:14 am
    To me, this law basically says that your vehicle is yours, and what legal items you may have in it are none of my business, regardless of where it's parked. To those that worry, I'm sorry, no law, gun law or otherwise can stop the crazy person intent on doing harm.
  16. SHOON-kah
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    SHOON-kah - March 31, 2011 7:37 am
    Well--what do we have here? The legislature is telling business owners that people can have a gun on the business owners property. I can agree with that as long it is locked up in a vehicle.

    If the legislature can do this to business owner why doesn't it have the guts to tell business owners (owners of bars) that there will be NO SMOKING
  17. Bill G-A-R-R
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    Bill G-A-R-R - March 31, 2011 5:57 am
    What could possibly go wrong?.........

    go wrong?.........

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    go wrong?.........

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    go wrong?.........
  18. Energy Efficiency
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    Energy Efficiency - March 31, 2011 4:59 am
    What could possibly go wrong with this dysfunctional N. D. Republican controlled Senate's decision to bring guns to work. On a daily basis, how many individuals are layed off or fired at their jobs in N.D.? How many of those individuals will carry negative feelings for their boss? How many of those people will "Go Postal" and start shooting the boss and/or the employees. It is a matter of time before sh.. hits the fan. Who did you vote for?
  19. The other side of the coin
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    The other side of the coin - March 30, 2011 11:17 pm
    I agree with BigF150 but I also keep wondering why Republicans have such a love of guns and the need to keep them close to themselves.

    Could it be something Freudian?
  20. BigF150
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    BigF150 - March 30, 2011 9:56 pm
    Okay, now if the collective gang of retards that call themselves "Senators" had even a ounce of mental capacity they would know that no company will allow employees to carry firearms on their property, including on their own parking lots. I dont have an issue with firearms, and in fact fully support the right to bear arms. However, most companies have strict rules when it comes to firearms, and this could result in possible lawsuits.
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