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UTTC students present possible eagle sculptures

Apr 18, 2008 - 04:05:05 CDT

By GORDON WEIXEL
Bismarck Tribune

United Tribes Technical College students made three presentations to the Bismarck Park Board for an eagle sculpture to take its place along the Missouri River with four other public artworks that the Arts/Arts Marketing Department developed over recent years.

Instructor Wayne Pruse gave a summary of the project that will provide at least six eagle public sculptures over a six-year period at the park board's Thursday meeting.

"Here we are once again; it's been five years now," Pruse said. "Sometimes students don't see the relevance of their projects in the real world. Through this project, they see how the project can translate into a career. They learn it's easier to make small things stand up than large things."

Students learn to articulate their projects, build leadership skills and learn about compromise, Pruse said. Many of the UTTC students who have participated in the public sculpture program have found careers in the arts.

Pruse said that while UTTC staff provide direction, it's up to the students in the end, as they work with local professionals and within the constraints of a budget. He also said he believes the program has gone a long way to improve the relationship of the college with the city of Bismarck.

The three projects included:

n "The Keeper," designed by Tina Curley, Kristina Kalenze and E.J. Red Bear. The 8-foot sculpture sets on a 3-foot base and resembles a modernesque eagle with wings spread as if protecting something. It is a metal sculpture made of 18-gauge aluminum painted bronze. The estimated cost is $15,000.

"The eagle is a symbol of protection, strength and freedom," Curley said. "For this sculpture, I designed the eagle in a unique way. I chose to do a modern version of an eagle. I wanted the sculpture to look like it is a protector that signifies strength, but yet looks very sleek and smooth. I wanted the sculpture to look contemporary."

n "The Spirit Cloud," presented by Dustin Thompson and Freedom McLaughlin. It is 8 feet tall and 6 feet wide, made of steel tubing and styrofoam blocks with an epoxy coating. Total cost is expected to be $15,340.96.

"My idea is basically a storm cloud that starts as a little spirit of a buffalo. As the cloud grows, it becomes a herd of buffalo. Then the rumbling thunder begins in which the eagle begins to emerge out of the cloud and, that's when the could become a thunderstorm of spirits," McLaughlin said.

n "Watching Over You," presented by Stacey Grant and Lauren Stewart. It's a 10.5-foot-tall eagle made of steel mesh, with its wings sheltering figures representing a family that are made of concrete, rebar, styrofoam, liquid latex and plaster of paris. The estimated cost is $15,329.20.

"The meaning behind the name 'Watching Over You' is from the eagle that is in the spirit form watching, protecting and guiding over the family and the future generation of humanity," Grant said. "The eagle's wings are sheltering the family. The people themselves are abstract versions of family that represents the unity of all cultures and communities."

While the park board will make the final decision on which sculpture will be constructed this summer, the community will get an opportunity to vote on April 24 and 25. The models will be on display at Fourth Street and Broadway Avenue from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m.

The final sculpture will be located at the south entrance of Sertoma Park near the tennis courts and softball diamonds.

(Reach reporter Gordon Weixel at 250-8255 or gordon.weixel@bismarcktribune.com.)

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Law wrote on Apr 25, 2008 9:51 PM:

" Haze, Let's have the Catholic church put up a statue then if we are going to allow 'spiritual' statues. I never once complained because the statues were UTTC made.
The PB made its decision and we will now have to live with it. I for one will keep expressing my concern about how the PB spends my property tax money. "

haze wrote on Apr 25, 2008 7:30 PM:

" To Standing Rocker - I am not native. I do know that the statues were all made by natives - but I really do get tired of the people in this town bashing them and anything else they can find to complain about. Most people have no clue what spiritual meaning they have and just mouth off about how "ugly" they are. I was privy to some of the work that went into these and feel the kids are being totally disrespected by a select few morons in this town. No, I didn't work on the statues but I have an idea of the work involved. "

Standing Rocker wrote on Apr 25, 2008 4:27 PM:

" haze,,, lol, maybe you should actually read the article, every UTTC artist mentioned is Native,,,,, ooooohhh, does it make sense now? From one Native to another, be careful what bandwagon you jump on, just because they're all wearing "Native Pride" hats and T-Shirts doesn't mean the actually represent what Native's are suppose to. A lot of these characters will jump on any victim bandwagon, and they'll make everything about race, that's the only way to justify their shortcomings. "unsica" "

Dakota wrote on Apr 25, 2008 3:53 PM:

" I can't believe how this turned into a race issue? Move on people. MOST of us stated we either don't like the clutter, the overabundunce of the eagle, or the cost. It that simple....(no hidden agenda on my part, I don't like the clutter...)
It is nice to agree with the Democrats on this one. Hey BILL "

Deb wrote on Apr 25, 2008 3:32 PM:

" Bill GAR: If that is true - if the majority of Bismarkians hate the statues -- then where were you when the park board asked for public input? Again - I was there to speak in favor of them. I was with about 75 other people who were in favor of them. ONE person - ONE - was there to speak against them.

Sorry dude - but you're just going to have to live with the consequences of your inaction. The bellyaching is getting so tired. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Apr 25, 2008 2:21 PM:

" Rex, How come we have found common ground? Deb, the majoity of us who live here think these eagle statues are abhorent. We want them removed! Lets all admit that we made a HUGE error. I know this is hard to do (just ask any republican), but we need to get this styrofoam creature off our river bank! Don't get me wrong, I LOVE EACH AND EVERY STUDENT AT UTTC! More power to them. This carnival midway has to go now!!!!!1 "

MamaMia wrote on Apr 25, 2008 1:01 PM:

" REX: Yeah, I heard something about a bridge being down there in Minnesota. I better call my Uncle Ole Lundegaard and tell him to take his Studebaker to 94 to cross the river and not 35W. "

haze wrote on Apr 25, 2008 12:47 PM:

" To Law - YOU are the one saying "racist". I simply said this is totally about UTTC students. YOU are the one insinuating they are all natives. Aren't there other races of people who also attend UTTC? hmmmmmm. I think it's awful how people are degrading the artwork of the UTTC students, therefore degrading them. It is personal. "

Law wrote on Apr 25, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Sorry Deb, I called the Park Board Member I talked to a rep. Isn't that what they are. Read through the posts again, I don't believe anyone said the statues shouldn't be on the riverfront because a NA designed them. And we have plenty of diamonds, what I talked to him about was the fact that Parks and Rec doesn't use them anymore during the day. When they say they can't afford to give our kids opportunities to play (Recreation) then they spend $15000 on a statue I think their priorities are messed up. "

REX wrote on Apr 25, 2008 12:11 PM:

" Mamma Mia, You are right. As I recall Minnesota forced the tax payers to help pay for a new sport arena. Then the bridge fell down. "

Deb wrote on Apr 25, 2008 12:09 PM:

" Funny thing is - it's not we who are defending the eagle sculptures who are inciting the race war - we're just simply pointing out a fact of the situation. It's the people who don't like the statues who throw up their hands and start the "I'M NOT A RACIST" screaming match. I think Shakespeare said it best "The lady doth protest too much." But moving on --

Law: I can't even believe that you don't see how your own arguement is completely flawed. Tax dollars are tax dollars. If you did talk to your BPB rep (they have reps? news to me) and wanted to have a baseball diamond instead of the sculptures... fine...whatever...that's fabulous. Let's say that happens -- The money for the sculptures will just come out of another publically funded coffer. So it's still your money used to fund public art. And you'll STILL complain about them then, won't you??

The point is this: public art is completely new to Bismarck. These are growing pains. Completely understandable. Regardless of who makes the rest of the public art -- it's NOT STOPPING and it's NOT GOING AWAY. Get used to it. And if you don't want to -- then do your civic duty and show up to the meetings and write your elected officials and let your legitimate opinion known. "

Law wrote on Apr 25, 2008 12:03 PM:

" Mama, my point is the PB ended its role of providing recreation for our kids and turned it over to a private group, which only provides baseball at nite, (doubled the price too) and restricted the numbers of kids that could participate. (without letting anyone know they were doing it) So we have fields that are paid for not being used during the day, kids that cannot play ball during the day, and we can find money to fund a statue but at the same time say we don't have the money to provide things for young kids to do during the day. Oh wait, I forgot they can walk on the endless trail system and look at eagle statues. "

MamaMia wrote on Apr 25, 2008 11:06 AM:

" Law: Following your logic, I guess I could say that I don't like baseball so I don't want my tax dollars used for such nonsense! Trouble is, it doesn't work that way. Our tax dollars go for many things that the individual may not appreciate, but benefit the community, state, nation, etc. Capice? "

Law wrote on Apr 25, 2008 10:34 AM:

" Sorry haze but I refuse to see racists behind every bush. I don't care who built the monster down by the Riverboat, its ugly and I think many people feel the same way whether it was designed by NA students or Norwegian ones. If you want to consider me a racist because I don't think my property tax dollars should go to fund private artists then so be it. I for one would hope that we could have a daytime baseball program so all kids (green, purple, black, white, red, yellow) could play organized baseball during the day when all the fields are empty, but no the PB spends the money on another ugly eagle. "

ND Native wrote on Apr 25, 2008 10:09 AM:

" Deb, mommamia, haze; this issue is only perceived as a race issue, because thats what you want it to be. Youre basing your stance on a few ignorant people that cant help but display their ignorance, than here you come ready to fight the race war. Like bickering gets us anywhere. This issue is not about race, its about art, and peoples perceptions of it. Art that the entire community has to look at day in and day out, that art shouldnt be chosen strictly based on race, this community has many ethnicities in it, and dont you think everybody should have an opportunity to participate in what that art is. The fact that only UTTC students are considered is racism in itself. Theres a division right there. So the racism you claim to be fighting, youre actually endorsing by supporting this idea. Wheres the unity in only one race being allowed to participate? Why even have a city council meeting to specifically allow only UTTC students art? Why not a meeting to address all students art? People do not appreciate it when you make everything about race; nobody wants to be called racists, especially if youre not one. You feeding off that worry, and using it in every argument only prevents real dialogue from occurring. Put away your race cards and communicate as members of this community, not as races. "

MamaMia wrote on Apr 25, 2008 8:40 AM:

" REX: They are not in Louisiana, they're all up in New Town, silly! :) "

haze wrote on Apr 25, 2008 8:29 AM:

" To Law - Deb is totally right - it IS about UTTC whether you admit it or not. Open your eyes. "

Law wrote on Apr 25, 2008 7:15 AM:

" Sorry Deb but I don't think anyone on here is against the eagles because of who is designing them. people like you who want to turn every little thing into a race war make me sick. Anytime a minority doesn't get its way or is criticized the first thing that comes out of mouths is to cry racist. Its not right, if you are going to bandy that label about anytime there is a legitimate critique of a minority program or problem or even good, then eventually people will be sick of hearing it. Keep crying wolf, I for one will not come to your aid. BTW I did talk to my BPB Rep and told him I would rather have daytime baseball for all kids, (even the nonwhites)

before more eagle sculptures. The PB has lost its Recreation focus. "

REX wrote on Apr 24, 2008 5:25 PM:

" Mamma Mia, Please stand by....I have a call into Louisiana. LOL! "

Deb wrote on Apr 24, 2008 5:17 PM:

" Law: Oh, how we all wish that we could decide where and to what causes our tax dollars go toward.

The fact is that public funding of art is nothing new. Mostly likely you've not even noticed it. There are thousands of tax dollars a year (in percentages, however, less than one percent) that go toward funding various art groups and projects. It was never a problem until John Q. Citizen didn't like the outcome of the art, or, to this point, didn't like the people making the art. "

Mom wrote on Apr 24, 2008 4:44 PM:

" Good Friend; were you referring to me or who was your comment intended for? If it was me, you are very wrong. I've blogged on a number of issues...police issues, priest issues, underage drinking, politics, Day of Silence, mother leaving children alone, cocaine charges, marijuana charges, the list goes on. And yes I do care about tax money and where it goes. And I don't like the sculptures. When have I ever made a racist comment? "

Law wrote on Apr 24, 2008 4:32 PM:

" to TWC,

My tax dollars didn't buy their house. "

TWC wrote on Apr 24, 2008 4:23 PM:

" Why talk about removing the eagles from the natural scenery of the river, when all these obscene houses are being built along the river? These big houses are a huge eyesore in my eyes. "

good friend mom wrote on Apr 24, 2008 4:19 PM:

" on all these blogs your never in any of them unless they are race related then you blog and turn around and say your not being racist! you only blog on anything that has to do with native americans! whoc ares about eagles and tax money and so on and so on! "

Philly wrote on Apr 24, 2008 4:12 PM:

" Well, well, if everyone liked these sculptures, then it wouldn't be called art would it?? Come on people move on with your lives and get over it. If you don't like it, don't look at it. Remember what you learned in Kindergarten and learn to live with things you have no control over. Go complain about something else. I hear there are white people putting up a olive garden?? Now who can afford that place?? Just playing. "

MamaMia wrote on Apr 24, 2008 3:44 PM:

" REX: Ask the people up at Sanish, Elbowwoods or Van Hook if the river will ever rise that much near Bismarck. Oh, wait, sorry, they can't answer because THEY'VE ALL BEEN DISPLACED BY THE DAM! :( "

REX wrote on Apr 24, 2008 3:30 PM:

" You know, if the river gets high enough, all this will be for naught. "

MamaMia wrote on Apr 24, 2008 2:58 PM:

" Deb is not on the Park Board, nor did she have anything to do with placing the art on the riverfront. "

Deb wrote on Apr 24, 2008 2:54 PM:

" to "M" : I was speaking metaphorically in the first person. I am not on the park board, I am not an elected official, I'm just a regular old tax paying citizen of this city and state and more over, I am a concerned citizen - concerned that this city will never get out of the 1880's and will never be able to move past "nah, I don't like them injuns art" to "wow, huh, I guess I really don't like it, but I'm glad that someone is getting joy out of it!"

I was at the meeting the park board held. Me and probably 75-100 other people who were in favor of the art. I have to say it again - only ONE person voiced concern over the art. I did my time - clearly none of the rest of the people commenting here did theirs. "

M wrote on Apr 24, 2008 1:12 PM:

" I'm assuming "Deb" is with the park board or definitely was a person who had a hand in getting these "art" projects placed on river front property by her use of the word "WE" and other statements which make her post seem to show she is defending the park board's agenda, not as a citizen, but as a person who has knowledge of when, where, how this was set. hmmmmmm. "

To Jen wrote on Apr 24, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Do all those drunk people in San Antonio's riverwalk live right there? I am sure many of them drove drunk to get home. Oh, and we don't have that many Holsteins in ND anymore. Maybe Angus, but then the Simmental folks would be mad. Oh wait, lets not waste tax dollars on personal art. "

Jen wrote on Apr 24, 2008 11:17 AM:

" Deb does have a point...as busy as you may be, if you truly cared, you would be there. Truly. Anonymous comments aren't the way to go. It's more like acting timid about what you believe in. If you really do believe that you do not like eagles by the river, then go do it! Trust me, the people who really care, aren't here reading these comments. There are plenty of educated people out there who are willing to help you out with things if you don't know how to do it. I would personally like to see a long wooden walkway/nature trail/running path/bike trail w/real eagles all along the river. Helping the problem with obesity in North Dakota. Plus a Hooters sign and maybe a train to help out all the drunk driving in North Dakota. It's been on the news about the rate of drinking and driving in the midwest. My husband is from Kentucky and they have horse sculptures everywhere....I think it's pretty neat. BUT there are also real horses everywhere. How about putting up holsteins everywhere? :)
Woo-sah.....if that's how it's spelled.
Smile everyone. Life is not that bad that you can get upset over eagles and prairie dogs and leprechauns. I'm sure there are starving kids in America that you can help feed who can care less about the eagles on the river. Or in North Dakota! I know in San Antonio they have the Riverwalk....it was fun! Bunch of drunk people walking around but they weren't driving. See, helping out ND tourism! I'm only kidding. Chill. :) "

Deb wrote on Apr 24, 2008 9:12 AM:

" to "Farley" : I respect that you take care of your family, but don't use that as an excuse not to do your civic duty. The truth is that the park board made it EASY for everyone in Bismarck/Mandan to participate.

Don't know how/don't want to take the time to be put on the agenda?
NO PROBLEM! Here's a whole night set aside for you. We even made it late in the evening so you can have time for dinner.

Intimidated by speaking in front of elected officials?
NO PROBLEM! Here's a panel of citizens - some for, and some against the art.

Can't get to the City/County Building?
NO PROBLEM! We'll broadcast it on CATV!

Want to join in on the conversation, but can't get there?
NO PROBLEM! Here's a free phone number to call in to -- you can even be ANONYMOUS!

SO, you know... comment away if you want. Knock yourself out. But if you want to make real change in this city, you'll have to do a little bit more than this. Not a lot - just a little. We make it easy for you... "

Standing Rocker wrote on Apr 24, 2008 8:27 AM:

" I do live in this community, and my neighborhood is just fine, If that blue thing represents "all" UTTC art, then yes I'll call like I see it, a BIG BLUE UGLY MESS, but then again I know better, I've seen alot of great artwork from UTTC students, nobody categorized "all" UTTC art students did they? Go ahead and keep pulling your race card, see how far it gets you. If you have something to say about SR, then say it. Apparantly UTTC students are a higher class of people than those from Standing Rock, according to you anyway. If you represent "all" students from UTTC, then I'll call like I see it, a BIG BROWN UGLY MESS, but I know better, not all UTTC students have your attitude. "

huh wrote on Apr 23, 2008 9:14 PM:

" Sounds like a redneck party on this board. Most people who post on here couldn't even change a light bulb without an instruction book. The art work is what it is art and most of it looks pretty good. I have seen and purchesed several art paintings and sculptures made by Native Americans and Whites alike. This definatly should not be about race either you appreciate art or you don't. It is a lot better than looking at more bike trails and dead grass. I do think some diversity should be done on these projects though. I like eagles too but there should be other themes going up around town. "

Farley wrote on Apr 23, 2008 6:28 PM:

" Hey Deb!
You make the mistaken assumption that because there weren't bunches of people expressing their opinions at park board meetings, that public opinion is all for the "art" being foisted upon the Bismarck taxpayers AT OUR EXPENSE! Most productive citizens that work for a living and have families to raise are usually bushed by the end of the day and don't care to take the time to request being put on the agenda to appear before a bunch of park board members who's minds are already made up. This little 'ol blog is about the only outlet I have (other than speaking with friends, family, and neighbors) on which to voice my humble little opinion!! Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to prepare dinner for my kids who are just getting home from school and after school activities. I won't have the time to engage you any more, I'm too busy. Have a nice day ; )) "

sixxdog wrote on Apr 23, 2008 5:59 PM:

" Thank you Standing Rocker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

wow wrote on Apr 23, 2008 5:47 PM:

" Standing Rocker, you should not even have a say. clean up your own community first before you start calling UTTC art ugly. "

Standing Rock reader wrote on Apr 23, 2008 5:37 PM:

" beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and i know the eagles are beautiful. leave them alone. the students at UTTC are also beautiful. live and let live. "

MamaMia wrote on Apr 23, 2008 3:39 PM:

" Good Post, Deb. If all the naysayers just want to complain, I guess this is the spot. But if you want to do something about your concerns, follow her advice. "

Standing Rocker wrote on Apr 23, 2008 1:09 PM:

" Okay Now,,,,[],,,,here's your race card back, only person making this about race is you. I'm Native from SR, that ugly blue thing down by the river should be bulldozed. This debate is about "ART" that the entire community has to endure, I don't care who makes it. I think the non-native concerns lie in the fact that, "why" are only the UTTC students art considered, why not all the schools and universities,,, valid concerns, I hate it when people make everything about race. The sculptures should be made first than decided on by the community, the artist dosn't matter, this will keep big blue goooeee messes off river banks. "

Deb wrote on Apr 23, 2008 12:57 PM:

" to "Farley" : read my last post. The general public (i.e. YOU) were given ample notice and ample opportunity to voice your like or dislike of the eagle statues. There was a deafening silence from those that dislike them. If you don't have the courage of your convictions - then you don't have the right to complain when you don't get your way.

I think you have a great idea with the art contest. Here's what I propose: you set up the details, the logistics, find the artists, make them write out a plan, get the materials approved by the health department, and have an environmental impact study done. Then coordinate the contest, including the volunteers needed to make sure that this goes off without a hitch - don't forget to ask the city commission for the easement that you'll need to display the art in public. Gosh, there's a lot more to do, but I'm sure you'll figure it all out. Maybe then you'll know what it takes to put together a huge project like the eagle statues.

Moreover: It is my understanding that the blue eagle statue was commissioned by the Lewis & Clark Foundation as an entre to the Native American nations and a call for their answer to the Frontier "art" present in Centennial Park (if you can call crayola crayon cut outs art). So if it looks a little hostile or agressive, that's because it's an answer to the agression and hostility that was thrust upon them following the Lewis & Clark expedition. So when you want to yell at UTTC for your least liked sculpture -- yell at the Lewis & Clark Foundation. "

IMO wrote on Apr 23, 2008 11:43 AM:

" Just because someone does not like a certain piece of artwork does not make them a racist. I have taken many many art classes in my life and find the blue eagles a terrible eyesore.

I like the idea of giving all schools an opportunity to present ideas for local art and than having the public choose which one will be displayed.

"

mom wrote on Apr 23, 2008 11:43 AM:

" to Okay now; personally I think you have a huge chip on your shoulders. No one in here has mentioned the race of anyone. In fact, many comments said the opposite. The criticism is not about people , it's about specific sculptures. No one is judging people, just art, which I believe that we have a right to do, since we are paying for it (and yes that means you too!) Do you honestly think all of the sculptures are worth the tax money? Would you want any of them in your yard? If you do like them, that's fine...why not say THAT in your comment, rather than assuming the students are somehow being judged based on race? "

Just Curious wrote on Apr 23, 2008 11:00 AM:

" Okay Now,

Umm, I don't see near the racism in the comments as some of "we" as you refer to some people. Are you referring to Native Americans in Bismarck?

What gives you the right to represent all of their views any more than I have the right to not like the direction the sculptures have gone?

Nothing! It's a relatively free country.

IMHO, (and that of history) the North and South American continents are lands of immigrants. Some are Euro, African, and Asian descendants post Columbus, others are Asian decendants pre Columbus. None of which deserve the title as "native" any more than my born in America self. "

haze wrote on Apr 23, 2008 9:56 AM:

" To Bill GARR - when you attack someones art - you ARE attacking them. Especially in the awful way it's been done on this site. Very personal and just downright rude.

Deb is right - how many of you complainers attended any meetings? How many of you would say these awful comments directly to the UTTC students who cared enough to put their hearts and souls into these projects? Hypocrites. "

Law wrote on Apr 23, 2008 8:22 AM:

" To Okay Now, Noone is saying anything about the ethnicity of the artists or where they go to school. It just amazes me that anytime someone is critical of a project like this that some people try to make it a race issue. No one bashed the students, no one bashed UTTC, no one has bashed the Native American, people are just expressing their opinion on the Parks and Trails putting up more ugly eagle statues. That is all, if you want to read more into it then go ahead "

okay now wrote on Apr 23, 2008 12:03 AM:

" You people make me SICK I don't know who or what gives you the right to judge someone or something, or who gives you the right to call someone a citizen or not, Don't we live in this town, don't we spend money in this town, we work go to school in this town just like you and just because we get judged as people by YOU!!! I don't think this gives you the right to judge everything we do I don't think so...... come on now people Grow up, Time to put the lynch away and cut down the tree cause it's the 21st century. Diverisity is every where, Cause personally i think this is what is all about. Race "

Farley wrote on Apr 22, 2008 9:55 PM:

" Art? You must be joking!!

The blue monstrosity that every eastbound driver sees while passing over the Missouri River on I-94 is an absolute eyesore that clashes with the traditional theme that is prevalent in the Centennial Beach area. It looks like a big glob of blue graffiti, YUK. You know what, why doesn't the community have an open art contest that is open to students of all schools, public, private, primary and secondary with the winner(s) being chosen by the general public. The ideas could be displayed at a sight open to the public, say Kirkwood Mall. The result would be that the art would reflect the tastes of the community and would hopefully represent a more diverse group of student artists. WHY DOES UTTC HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE TO DISPLAY ART TO THE CITIZENS OF BISMARCK IN OUR PUBLIC PARKS?? I simply don't get it. (except that Steve Nieu is an elitist that cares very little about public opinion). "

Mom wrote on Apr 22, 2008 6:49 PM:

" To Truth; I think what you wrote is a lot of silly nonsense too. What in the world does Garrison Dam have to do with ugly art? Are you trying to say that since it the art is made by UTTC students everyone should jump for joy? As in....we need to put this art along the river to 'make-up' for building the dam? That is a very strange (silly) way of looking at this. I think that if tax money is going to pay that much money for an art project it should go to someone who is a verifiable professional artist. And no, I don't care what race they would be either. The whole race thing has nothing to do with this discussion. No one is bashing the students either....they are in the process of learning and I'm sure the existing sculptures were done to the best of their abilities. I for one don't think we need any more of them. I'm sure that some business or other would be happy to assist with the funding for some sculpture for the front of their business place though. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Apr 22, 2008 6:25 PM:

" Haze, please point out as "fact", the people on here who specifically attacked the students at UTTC. You can't just lump criticism with racism "

Wolf wrote on Apr 22, 2008 5:50 PM:

" I like the eagles. With the rate of development along the river, these might be the only eagles that stay around. "

Truth wrote on Apr 22, 2008 3:57 PM:

" Again, I must weigh in on this silly column. First of all, no one really cares what anyone in any of these posts say. Just a lot of silly nonsense. If you could really influence the powers that be, we wouldn't be sending your sons and daughters off to war. But, thats another issue. When I keep reading about the "beauty" of the river, it makes me sick to my stomach. Apparently, none of you realize you have the "beauty" of the river because of the sacrifices made by Native American's downstream. It was because of the garrison dam project, which flooded native towns and homes so Bismarckians could have flood-free homes of their own, that allows you the "beauty" you now see. Geez, read a book or something now and then before your audacity to reveal your intelligence reveals your shoe size. "

Bismarcker wrote on Apr 22, 2008 2:30 PM:

" I do not like my tax dollars paying for 'someone's' artistic expressions. I would rather that money go to purchasing the riverfront land and protecting it from the artists and developers. Make it into a walking park and use our taxes for upkeep. I agree that all the statues and artist inspired pieces are out of place and should be removed so that people can enjoy the grass, trees and water found on the waterfront.

I think that nature does a much better job of presenting art that I can enjoy, and I don't feel I have to be ashamed to worried about being called 'racist' to say that.
"

lone wolf wrote on Apr 22, 2008 2:22 PM:

" or a sculpture of an oil spill that has not been cleaned up next to Hooters and a bad cop taking a report because acording to most of you that is all this town is about anyway.

word to your mother. "

lone wolf wrote on Apr 22, 2008 2:17 PM:

" or a sculpture of a pile of budweiser cans "

lone wolf wrote on Apr 22, 2008 2:16 PM:

" how about a sculpture of a "lone wolf" "

Deb wrote on Apr 22, 2008 1:18 PM:

" to HBIC, et al - no "WE" don't agree on the worth of the sculptures.

Here's the funny thing - the majority of these anonymous comments are anti-eagle sculputres, but when the chance arose for you all to voice your opinions, you were silent. When the public forum was held, there was ONE person - ONE - out of a packed Tom Baker room who voiced their dislike of the statues. Based on the forum, the park board unanimously agreed to continue with the project.

So, the long and short of it is "TOUGH LUCK" - you didn't have the courage of your convictions to come forward when you were called to do so, and therefore you need to live with the consequences of your inaction. Whine away here - knock yourselves out with your hatred of the sculptures - it will accomplish nothing.

GO UTTC! GO WAYNE PRUSE! KEEP THE EAGLES COMING!! "

haze wrote on Apr 22, 2008 1:04 PM:

" I think it's awful that people think it's okay to bash the UTTC kids like this. You think their ART is ugly - take a look at yourself in these comments. Now THAT is UGLY. "

MamaMia wrote on Apr 22, 2008 12:50 PM:

" To: To mAMAmia: Brilliant comment. Just brilliant. What "truth"? "

Jen wrote on Apr 22, 2008 11:57 AM:

" So how about them Red Sox?
Tax money, tax money, tax money. Ooooh tax money! Seriously, I look at myself and my spending before I question where my tax money is going. I come through here now and then and read these blogs. It's so funny and sad to think about people and their negativity. It scares me that people can write such hideous comments but can't even spell. I am not great at English and Grammar but I sure the hell can spell. I am not even here to take sides in this matter. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and that is it. They're just opinions. This is just my opinon too! Until you get off your lazy butt and do something about something that you "so believe" in then kudos to you! But to sit on your computers and write such negative things...is really beyond pathetic. Hmm...let's not write our names and hide too. Yes, that makes it all better. Yes, put up some ferris wheels and celtic sculptures....cool add a leprechaun, unicorn, and a fairy. If you're proactive in putting up things then go for it!!! When someone else wants to....oooooohhh.....it's soooo wrong! Boo. Boo-hoo. I am just a tad upset that these young college students are trying to do things but are getting put down because some people are getting butthurt and bored. The sad part is they're busy with their schooling and work to even read this blog. Awww. How sad. :)
We should be more concerned in preserving the rivers, streams or lakes. Because if it was so big and beautiful, we wouldn't need to be adding sculptures. OR how about a nice wooden walkway all along the river...oooooh! I'd be excited and maybe come home for a visit.
How did that Hooters sign go? Hahaha. Only in North Dakota! :)
"

HBIC wrote on Apr 22, 2008 11:23 AM:

" It seems to me that many, if not all of the commentary posted agree on one thing: We do not want this "art" displayed in our community. Therefore, lets do something about it.

I, unfortunately, live in Mandan, so I assume I have no jurisdiction to go to the city commission and voice my opinion on the matter. However, those of you who live in Bismarck do. So please people: Voice your opinion to the commissioners and let them know that these projects are unwanted, an eyesore, and plain old UGLY!

Based on the responses I saw on the broadcast of the commission meeting, I am POSITIVE that the commissioners will listen to you. They didn't seem at all impressed with the ideas presented to them and were just being polite about the situation.

"

Bismarcker wrote on Apr 22, 2008 11:14 AM:

" Okay some of the art in our community is tasteful (eagle at Custer Park for example) and some is just gaudy and hideous (blue monstrosity that everyone knows -- come on people -- it is). Doesn't matter who designed and built it -- it's gross. We have enough. If art students need an outlet to show their talents, can't we just build another gallery or an art center? "

TO mAMAmia wrote on Apr 22, 2008 10:33 AM:

" Sometimes the truth hurts.

I don't really care for Jackson Pollock either. But "kitsch" is "kitsch." "

MamaMia wrote on Apr 22, 2008 8:40 AM:

" To: To Alex and the Other Guy Who Yadda Yadda Yadda: Your comment was WAAY harsh! I must say that just because you have an art history degree does not necessarily make you an art critic. My degree is in English, but that does not make me a literary critic. I know what I like, in literature as well as art, but that does not necessarily make it great literature or art. I also know what I don't like --Faulkner for one, in literature, and he won the Nobel Prize for Literature, for God's sake! I also don't appreciate Jackson Pollock, and as I mentioned before, his pieces go for millions of dollars. I would think you would be in the same category as I am, and as is probably every other commenter on here -- no great critic with props to back you up, but you know what you like or don't like. And that's only your opinion. Am I right? I just think a lot of this rabid criticism has deeper roots, and in some of the comments, that is very clear. "

Joe wrote on Apr 22, 2008 6:10 AM:

" Is it just me or does the "art" sculpture near the Lewis and Clark river park look like a huge xmas candle gone bad??? You have to get about 20 feet away from it to see that its eagle heads But from a distant and i mean like the 1000's of travelers crossing the interstate bridge, it really looks like a half melted ugly blue xmas candle....really looks out of place with the other scenery.
NO MORE OF THIS PLEASE!!!!!! "

To: Alex and the other guy who defended your posting wrote on Apr 22, 2008 12:34 AM:

" Sorry for this anonymous response. But you asked for it. How to take you seriously when you cannot spell and your grammar is atrocious? So we are supposed to trust your appreciation of "art" regarding these statues that vandalize our River?

You have "advise" for the rest of us? Regarding art. And you ask whether we have a job. Also a life! Did you mean, "advice," which is a noun, and not "advise," which is a verb. Also, "your" is not a verb, it is a possessive. "You're", a contraction of "you are", is a pronoun followed by a verb. Since you obviously didn't pay attention to grammar in grade school, might this not reflect on whether you paid attention in art class? If you had one?

As one negative poster to these ugly statues, paid for by my tax dollars without my input: I have a good job, a full life, travel extensively, mostly to art museums around the world, and I also hold a degree in art history. I know art. And this is not art but "kitsch."

Our Park Board is paying $15,000 a pop with your tax money for this WalMart level junk. Ask yourself, would you pay the same? "

To: Alexa et. al. wrote on Apr 21, 2008 11:14 PM:

" You tell us to propose something better to the Park Board? How about NOTHING AT ALL! I was born and raised alongside the Missouri River. I was one of the first to ski on it -- when everyone, including my parents, were horrified that I was going to be sucked into a whirlpool! The River was beautiful and pristine in those days. It had no statues! AND IT NEEDS NONE NOW! Get it? Get it? Once and for all!

No statues then. So why now? And why are they so universally ugly, amateurish...oh, and, by the way, what is their life expectancy? When that bird squat, blue, four cornered eagle starts to deteriorate, as all man-made things do, who is going to pay for the repairs? The Park Board did not have the foresight to prevent these horrific obstructions to our River view in the first place...do you think for one moment they have considered -- or budgeted -- their future? Well we might at least hope they have not budgeted, and they will all be eventually hauled off to the dumps...or to whomever wants them.

For once and for all, people, all these too prolific abominations may be somebody's idea of art, but, as a Bismarck taxpayer who is helping to pay for them without my input, and without any semblance of public policy, THIS NEEDS TO STOP NOW!

And maybe we need a city referendum about the existing ones. In a hearbeat I would vote to abolish all of them here and now, and never again erect any crap that might mar our view of our beloved Missouri River. "

reader wrote on Apr 21, 2008 9:27 PM:

" Alexa your the only person making comments on these blogs that has any kind of inteligence. my hat is off to you. thse people could learn alot from you. you were brought up right. "

Alexa wrote on Apr 21, 2008 9:09 PM:

" Once again I read the same comments from the same people. If someone thinks they could produce something better, try and propose it to the park board. You all seem to think that you are the voice of the community, but to tell you the truth I read these comments because it's just amazing to me all the people that have nothing to do with their days but post negative comments about people who are producing something that they are proud of. Didn't anyone ever teach you that if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all. None of you even post your names because your hiding behind the fact that people don't know who you are so you say stuff that you normally wouldn't, especially if a school that your children attended was producing this art, or it was a group of caucasions. You seem to think that your little "clique" of negative bloggers would out vote the rest of the community that has the etiquette to not bash something just for the sake of attacking someone or something. My advise- you should get a job or a life because if you have time to put down the efforts of another person, your probably not satisfied with yourself and should probably work on your issues instead of venting annonymously through the tribune blogs. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Apr 21, 2008 8:35 PM:

" LOL "

REX wrote on Apr 21, 2008 8:01 PM:

" Thanks Bill. I'll match you $ for$. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Apr 21, 2008 7:03 PM:

" REX.... begrudgingly I have to say "aye". When it comes to politics we are polar opposites but when it comes to rivers,fishing,bad art and hunting, I think we can agree. The casino would be happy to have that awful blue bird. I would chip in to move it. "

agree wrote on Apr 21, 2008 5:03 PM:

" I agree no more sculptures, enough already. If they want them put them up on the campus and quit cluttering the beauty of the river. This was a bad idea in the first place look at the one by the boat ramp its hidius and to big and Blue. How about the casino's put them there if they need a place to put them. "

REX wrote on Apr 21, 2008 4:51 PM:

" All in favor of forcing UTTC to change the eagle image say "Aye". There, how's that feel? What goes around comes around. "

to IMO wrote on Apr 21, 2008 2:48 PM:

" It's called Raging Rivers Water Park "

REX wrote on Apr 21, 2008 2:45 PM:

" Ornithologists and Autobonists everywhere should be outraged. Did anyone ever ask the eagles how they felt about being adopted as symbolistic mascot by human beings? "

MamaMia wrote on Apr 21, 2008 1:48 PM:

" LL: I admire your confidence! I would like to say I know good art when I see it, but I just don't know sometimes. Jackson Pollock? Hello? When I look at that all I see is a great big mess, but his pieces are worth millions. Who am I to say that isn't good art? I just know I don't like it, but that doesn't make it bad art. Beauty truly IS in the eye of the beholder, that's for sure. "

How Does One wrote on Apr 21, 2008 12:41 PM:

" How Does a person start a petition to get this "stuff" removed?
What are the steps needed to file a petition?
Are Attorney's needed?
I for one would be standing in line to sign one, if it were available.
Choices that come to mind.
A. Petion For Removal.
B. Move The "art" to UTTC or the Reservation.
C. Fundraiser for Demolition and Removal of said 'art' "

IMO wrote on Apr 21, 2008 10:50 AM:

" That large blue one needs to go, had they painted it like real eagles maybe it would be attractive but i dont care for that at all its just ugly.

And i agree i love art and would like to see more public art displays in bismarck/Mandan but enough of the eagles. Can we use some $$ to build some splash parks for the kids something family friendly that we could actually use and not stare at for a moment and move on??

"

M wrote on Apr 21, 2008 10:25 AM:

" the "enchanted river". too much of anything is not good. a couple of sculptures would be fine. i think it is being overdone. not liking the art or questioning where tax money is going does no make you a racist. If BSC or U of M did some of these art projects, i think the same comments would be made, then again they weren't afforded that oppurtunity to do so, seems like special favor the reverse way, which no one defending the sculptures seems to acknowledge. i would rather see the money invested in two really great sculptures or professional arts, rather than 6 cheap looking art dislplays. but this is ND, and we love our giant statues of animals. "

LL wrote on Apr 21, 2008 10:05 AM:

" “I know it when I see it” was an expression used by U. S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in 1969, when describing obscene material (pornography). While the UTTC art is absolutely not obscene the phrase/expression can by used by any person to label an observable fact or event, when the category is ill defined or lacks clearly defined boundaries. Art, falls into this category and that is the basis of my thoughts concerning any art, be it something by Picasso or a pupil of the United Tribes Technical College. I know good art when I see it. "

MamaMia wrote on Apr 21, 2008 9:01 AM:

" The difficult thing in all of this is wondering who is fit to "judge" public art. I know we have a committee formed to discuss the public art policy, but since the first meeting, I don't know if they've done anything. I like some of the public art that is currently displayed, while the thunderbird piece just scares me. But who am I to judge? Maybe it is supposed to scare people--maybe that was the purpose. Art is supposed to get people talking as well as providing something to look at, isn't it? Kudos, though, to the young people who put for the effort to do something for our community. "

Law wrote on Apr 21, 2008 8:33 AM:

" I agree that the people taking issue with the art are not being racist. They have a legatimate concern about public money funding private artists. Some people don't see any value in these sculptures and don't want to fund any more of them.

The Parks and Trails cannot offer a daytime summer baseball program but can waste 15 grand on another sculpture that may or may not look good. "

LL wrote on Apr 21, 2008 7:33 AM:

" I am hoping the Bismarck Tribune re-announces the April 24th and 25th dates and gives us pictures in the Tribune. I for one, will absolutely scrutinize the sculptures when they are displayed at the Fourth Street and Broadway location but why only two days? I also want to be able to easily provide input of my thoughts to the park board. Anyone of us is an art critic, some of the so-called works of art are awful, particularly the four headed eagle along river road. It sounds like Bismarckers will not be able to vote on them, my vote would be enough, enough, please don’t punish us any more! "

Proud To Be UTTC wrote on Apr 21, 2008 6:51 AM:

" Great point about the pow-wow and rummage sales!!! I couldn’t agree more. I am a UTTC graduate and personally believe that the students do a fantastic job representing the college. Despite all of the hateful and sometimes racist remarks the students still finish what they started. Forget all the negative remarks and continue with the works of art! PROUD TO BE UTTC!!! "

To: who judges art... wrote on Apr 20, 2008 8:54 PM:

" You miss the point entirely. As do all those who use "the race card."

Art appreciation is a personal matter. So keep it "personal." As in: the privacy of your own home.

When someone's idea of art is purchased with public money and openly displayed in conspicuous public venues...then that art had better pass the muster of some sort of public art policy. The eagle sculptures to date have been accepted, ourchased, and placed without any such policy, which is still being formulated...so why the rush to add any more in the mean time? "

Truth wrote on Apr 20, 2008 5:08 PM:

" I'm native and I have to say it all looks good except for the piece down by the riverboat. I don't know what that is. I understand it is supposed to be a thunderbird. But, I've never known a thunderbird to have several heads. And, it doesn't really fit in with everything else in the area. Just my opinion. "

also wrote on Apr 20, 2008 4:52 PM:

" I also wanted to say great work and good job to the Art/Art Marketing students out at United Tribes all of you did a good job. As a Native American in this community i am proud that you guys are making a stand and continuing to do what you are doing and don't mind those people in this community that have so much hate, and disrespect, and ignorance towards what all of you are doing. KEEP YOU HEAD UP AND KEEP STANDING TALL! "

who judges art, it's a personal expression wrote on Apr 20, 2008 4:43 PM:

" what is wrong with today's sociaty, I mean really, does everybody have to be so negative and racist, what ever happen to the equality and freedom? You all say that these are ugly pieces of art, but who gives you the right to judge someone's art, or someones personal expression, this makes me sad that people have to say bad things about this so called issue. If they could have designed something else that had nothing to do with an eagle, would every body still be complaining? Would everybody still have something negative to say about it then? "

wow wrote on Apr 20, 2008 2:33 PM:

" Nothing to be racist about. The artwork is ugly. Please stop creating eyesores! I do not care if a native american made the sculptures or a 3rd generation Norwegian. It looks awfull. "

Mom wrote on Apr 20, 2008 11:12 AM:

" former students per their comments; University of Kansas and frustrated. I'm guessing Iwa because she/he seems to know how they feel. "

Online Editor wrote on Apr 20, 2008 10:59 AM:

" To Mom: Which people writing are students? "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Apr 20, 2008 9:48 AM:

" This is not a slam on the fine students at UTTC. When you scream racism at every opportunity it diminishes your position. This is simply a public discussion on what and where art should be placed. Nothing more, nothing less. I agree that N Dakota has a long history of racism, but I believe this is a red herring. Move that unsightly garbage from the banks of the mighty Missouri river. Nothing more nothing less. "

University of Kansas Jay Hawk wrote on Apr 20, 2008 8:21 AM:

" As a former alumni of UTTC, I think the art is beautiful. However, when the agreement was made to produce the art, there should have been a variety of themes involved. I agree, there should be other different types and styles, not just eagles.

After all, this subject has been on this blog HOW MANY TIMES now? Talk about beating a dead horse! Thank you Bismarck Tribune for improving race relations in the community, you do your job very well! NOT! Same old negative reactions from the same old negative racist people of Bis/Man who complain constantly about the same old things. If you folks didn't agree with this issue the first time, then that was your OPPORTUNITY to do something about it then! So sign all the petitions you want, until your hand falls off, there will still be other things for you to complain about! Your never ending complaining, belittling and bickering shows what type of community you come from! The absolute negativity, as well as race comments will get you nowhere as you can see this same old issue has reared it's head again. Do I detect a cycle here?

I am glad that I left this racist state for "Greener Pastures"! Good riddance! You people will still be here 100 years from now, doing the only thing that you know how to do (DISCRIMINATE AND HATE). Erase the hate and increase the peace! Semper FIdelis!

"

aaaaa wrote on Apr 20, 2008 8:18 AM:

" The issue is not who is doing the art work, it where to put it. Keep if off the river banks. Why not auction it off? "

sixxdog wrote on Apr 20, 2008 7:28 AM:

" I don't think the negativity has anything to do with where the students are from, I think it is because, well, the pieces of "art" that are currently up are hideous. Especially that blue nightmare by Meriwethers. No wonder the local vandals leave them alone, anything they would do to vandalize them would actually be an improvement, as much as I hate to say it. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Apr 20, 2008 12:54 AM:

" This has nothing to do with race. I myself love American Indian culture and Indian artists. Who couldn't. Have you heard of the Lafountain brothers from N.Dakota? This is simply about bad styrofoam and cookie cut out steel {art?}. This garbage thats down on the rivers edge, simply has got to go. In my humble opinion the best piece of public art in this state is that re-bar buffalo statue that rests on the capitol grounds. If you insist on cluttering up the river bank please think of rust colored material that looks natural. Like I said before....IT LOOKS LIKE A CARNIVAL MIDWAY!!!!!!!!!!! "

ExOfficer wrote on Apr 20, 2008 12:18 AM:

" Well gee maybe all of you racists would be happier if we put good old Lt. Colonel Custer gunning down some of us evil injuns or maybe a statue of the "brave" soldiers that took part of the wounded knee slaughter. You know us ignorant savages feel so welcome in this lovely little town. I was here in the 60's on up and I really remember the open arm welcome I got at your schools the truly needed poundings that an uppitty indian needed at the hands and feet of several of your fine citizens at once. I remember as an Officer in this fine community the compliments I recieved as a "credit to my race" and how I showed up even after payday and was never late or showed up hungover. Belive it or not people this state is known for its Native Culter and the Eagle happens to be a major part of it. If you dont like what is left of my race (less the 1% of the country we once roamed) well as you like to say the the "foreigners" go back where you came from and by the way we Natives are the highest per cappa veterans as am I and all my family. You sure seem to like us during the Pow-Wow when you have your rummage sales with the prices jacked up and there sure are a lotta non-Natives running dreamcatchers in their cars. You know what scares UTTC students here? Go into the mall and see who the security are following around or in any major store. The more Eagles and less softball diamonds the happier I will be you middle aged people need to grow up and of course there is the medical bills and lost time from someone my age trying to act 16 I played the games 30 some years ago but alas I grew up and joined the Army. "

To: Standing Rock and Frustrated, et. al wrote on Apr 19, 2008 11:07 PM:

" None of this criticism has anything to do with the art students at UTTC. Let them engage their artistic talents all they want! But that does not in any way imply that what they produce is acceptable public art! Maybe their works should be on display, and for sale, at the store in the Mandan depot. That would certainly be the ultimate measure of the worth of their art. Either it would sell...or not.

But we should not have the Bismarck Park Board, using taxpayer dollars, perpetuating what has become a very poor decision to have six of these things built and placed in the most scenic areas of our stretch of the Missouri River. And they did this without even the guidance of their own, recent public art policy!

Not only is the result bad art. It is very bad public policy and a waste of funds at the expense of other programs.

The one thing we do know of the culture of the Mandans, the Hidatsa, and the Arrikara, the native tribes of this stretch of the Missouri River, was their love and respect for nature. Does anyone, including the students at UTTC, or anyone defending these statues, really believe they do anything to add to the natural beauty of the River? Just what would their ancestors have said upon encountering one of these eagles? "

sammyhain2364 wrote on Apr 19, 2008 7:53 PM:

" I just wonder if there would be this much negativity if it were BSC or U of Mary students who have been doing the artwork. "

reader wrote on Apr 19, 2008 6:27 PM:

" I wish United Tribes Technical Center would bring some of their beautiful eagles to the reservation. we would have more respect for their beautiful art. The eagle is a sacred and beautiful bird. how could any native person speak ill of these beautiful sculptures. unbelievable. "

Dakota wrote on Apr 19, 2008 4:06 PM:

" I'd much rather see a UND "Fighting Sioux" Logo..l.o.l.
Seriously...."Keep the river and river fronts free from clutter" enough is enough. It's starting to look as if you are driving through a cheap gift shop! "

LS wrote on Apr 19, 2008 2:54 PM:

" I agree with most on here. ENOUGH EAGLES!!! It's great that the UTTC students come up with these sculptures, but please, pick another animal already!! As for the students being scared away from home, what about the millions of other students that leave home for college in a strange city and state? Is it only UTTC students that experience being scared or nervous in a new environment? I don't think so. I'm sure there are many other artists in this city of ours that can create something as well. Without using my tax dollars to do it. Where's the petition to stop any more of these awful sculptures from being put up? "

Frustrated wrote on Apr 19, 2008 12:00 PM:

" Come on people....Give the students from UTTC a break. I went there, graduted, and went on to a great job. For a lot of their students, this is the first time they are off on their own, striving for a better life than the one they had on the rez...They don't deserve to be laughed at, or put down because they are actually using their minds...
I do agree though, that the eagles are going a little overboard. I would much rather see a sculpture other than an eagle. And I would still rather see the UTTC students doing it....Give them credit and praise them for their work. Please don't degrade their efforts.... "

Standing Rock wrote on Apr 19, 2008 11:43 AM:

" Good Ole Bismarck, North Dakota....much respect to the students who worked so hard. The comment boards I hope are demonstrating to the public world just what kind of attitudes prevail here. Negative bitter reeking racism in North Dakota exists everyday. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Apr 19, 2008 2:07 AM:

" You might as well add a ferris wheel and some tents. It looks like a cheap carnival midway already. No offence UTTC but enough already. Landscaping and native plantings are what the banks of our river deserve. Will we be listened to? Does the Park Board read this thread? I doubt it. Call their offices Monday morning. I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one upset about this. "

LMAO wrote on Apr 18, 2008 11:57 PM:

" well we're at it and talking about whats scary down by the river, they need to make some of the individuals that walk, run and whatever else they do put on decent clothes. It all too much reminds me of cottage cheese when I'm down by the river. Is there a petition I can sign for this to go away? "

co wrote on Apr 18, 2008 11:44 PM:

" Art cannot please everyone but most towns would be proud to have these artists contribute to the uniqueness of the city. Open your minds, don't be so negative. Think about the beauty behind the sculptures as well. This program & the artists deserve much praise. "

To: Our Park Board wrote on Apr 18, 2008 11:11 PM:

" Do any of you read these posts? And what are you going to do to address this overwhelming negativity to these horrible sculptures -- and, by the way, this is certainly not the first time the Tribune has had such a blog? There have been several in the past...especially after that last grade school-level monstrosity was "commissioned" in Pioneer Park. Not everyone has your personal addresses to contact you. "

sammyhain2364 wrote on Apr 18, 2008 10:49 PM:

" To all those criticizing all the current and future eagle art along the river, one question. When have any of you done anything that was creative? "

Celticman wrote on Apr 18, 2008 10:00 PM:

" I will sign that petition too! Too many eagles. Not one Celtic standing stone to commemorate the Irish in our area. OK, I guess that would be about two of us hopelessly lost in this vast pool of Norweigans and Germans. But could we have just one little one? Maybe we could just erect it on St. Paddy's Day, when all these Norweigans and Germans pretend they are Irish!

And I agree with "Enough Already!" That bird squat statue is atrocious...and covered in bird squat! Seems it takes one to know one! "

Enough Already! wrote on Apr 18, 2008 8:14 PM:

" I will sign that petition to remove the hideous, amateurish so-called creations too ubiquitous in our midsts! The beauty of the river is totally destroyed by the replica of that horrible, modernistic symbol of the Lewis & Clark Bicentennial, not to mention that four sided eagle monstrosity that looks like giant bird squat. To call any of this "public art" just makes us more laughable in the eyes of the rest of the world. By the way, did not the Park Board just complete a study defining "public artA" And do any of these latest three qualify? If they are anything like all the rest that have been foisted on us, I hope the "winner" gets toppled by a foul ball. "

~deb~ wrote on Apr 18, 2008 7:22 PM:

" I agree, Al Gee - how many eagles does Bismarck need? I think if we are going to line the River with art it should be diverse and interesting. I personally think the art along the River is ugly. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but these are just plain ugly. "

Nebraska wrote on Apr 18, 2008 3:32 PM:

" To Eagletown, USA residents....If you want something different get up from the computer and create a work of art and propose it to the park board. Let's see if you have the time, talent, dedication, imagination and patience to make something with your own hands! UTTC students this UTTC students that...is anyone else trying to improve the city with any works of art? As for removing the sculptures already in place; leave them and move on to a more productive cause. Leave the UTTC students and park boards alone. I don't see any other colleges improving the look of Eagletown, USA! These kind of ridiculous bickering just sounds like a bunch of uneducated residents with way to much time on their hands that need to find a hobby. Maybe, they need to sign up for college at UTTC and learn a little bit about what makes a successful and educated individual. Then they could FINALLY become self confident and productive members of society! "

Mom wrote on Apr 18, 2008 3:32 PM:

" Iwa; we must not be reading the same comments, because I just looked through these again and I don't see anything threatening or scary at all here. Art is a matter of personal preference. Some people are expressing that they don't like the sculptures. They are in a public place and are huge, so it's not like you can actually ignore them if you don't like them. Not to mention our taxes go to paying for them. Would you like to pay for a painting that you don't like to look at? I think the subject matter for public art displays should be more of a common recognizable object. I know one of the sculptures down by the river freaks my son out. You think the UTTC students are scared? What about my kid? "

Let the people decide! wrote on Apr 18, 2008 3:29 PM:

" I guess this debate should be settled by the citizens of Bismarck, we are the ones who pay for all this "art". I would be willing to bet if it came to a vote, there would be no more eagle art funded!!! There are lots of other uses for the money spent on eagle art. Enough eagle junk already!!!! "

Double Nickels wrote on Apr 18, 2008 3:04 PM:

" To Iwa…..Another thing. The reason why the Century Diamonds became a dog park is that the cost was too high to maintain. If I remember right I think it was about an Eagle sculpture per field to keep it playable. Maybe we can kick the Peter Pan parents with pets out of there and put up some more statues????? b "

2j2 wrote on Apr 18, 2008 3:03 PM:

" why does the art have to be down by the river or on any public land? Cant they do art for the sake of it, and not to try to impressive? "

Double Nickels wrote on Apr 18, 2008 2:57 PM:

" Double Nickels
To Iwa…In the name of art. I’m one of the Peter Pan’s that enjoys softball. As a softball player I pay fees and what ends up happening our fees go towards new facilities and improving current ones. The last two season our player fees went up so we could put that towards more diamonds. Right now, there about 30 or 40 teams that can’t play here because we don’t have the room to have them. If they’re lucky they can play in Mandan if they’re not full. If 40 teams can’t play the city loses money. Instead of taking the 15,000 bones to fashion another eagle that looks like 2nd grade picture that you hang on the fridge, we should put it into diamonds. I’m not against art but we have enough eagles. Right now I would settle for the worlds biggest ball of yarn or something like that than have another eagle sculpture.
"

lwa wrote on Apr 18, 2008 2:29 PM:

" Reply to "Mom" - They are scared because it's the first time living in an "urban" area for many of them and 2) because of negative comments like those posted here. "

Al Gee wrote on Apr 18, 2008 2:26 PM:

" To Iwa: the reason there aren't enough baseball diamonds for kids to use is because they are all being used by Peter Pan adults who play softball in the evenings.

Just because you aren't capable of playing softball, don't ridicule it."

How about the nice regulation size diamonds by Century that were converted to a dog park?

Those fields were inept at best. You could probably have hit a home run there. Nevermind, i'm giving you too much credit. It also didn't help that there was a major road adjacent to the fields. People don't like softballs through their windshields.
"

HBIC wrote on Apr 18, 2008 12:12 PM:

" I watched their presentations on TV last night and to say the least, I am voting for none of the above. They were all hideous and an eyesore. And their explanations for the "art" were ridiculous and seemed to highlight the fact that those students need to concentrate more on their speaking and language skills, ie. English class, rather than art class. "

C3PO wrote on Apr 18, 2008 11:59 AM:

" Please, no more eagles. Although, they are a beautiful bird - no more. Kids climb on the eagles by the zoo. I saw a grandmother taking pictures of her grandsons on the eagle. Choose something else meaningful. That's a lot of money to be spending... the eagles we have now are enough. Except the giant blue sculpture by Meriwether's, that's scary. "

Andy wrote on Apr 18, 2008 11:38 AM:

" Would it be possible to change Bismarck's name to Eagletown USA. "

Mom wrote on Apr 18, 2008 11:35 AM:

" to Iwa; what do you mean they are scared to death to live here? Scared of what? I've never heard any of them say any such thing...and yes I have known plenty of students that go to school there. I think UTTC should approach some bigger businesses or power co-ops and see if they can do something for them instead of the park board. How about Basin or MDU or somewhere? They might like donate to such a thing and have some interesting artwork on their land. Or since we are making the rodeo arena nicer at the fairgrounds, how about having a sculpture of a horse or something out there? "

show me wrote on Apr 18, 2008 10:08 AM:

" While I support the project, enough of the Eagles already. I'd love to see something different or at least no more big, huge one's. - the "spirit cloud" sounds at least interesting. Why not some sort of project that could still be in the Native American art style and concept, but with maybe some smaller Eagles incorporated in the design. I acutally like the big white one with the gazing ball, but the one in the park by the boat ramp kinda freaks me out. My other question, is why do all have to be so huge? Sometimes a small piece can speak louder than a huge one. Just a thought. "

SE Forty wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:47 AM:

" I knew this comment section on this story would get this kind of response. Welcome to Bismarck!!! "

to petition wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:35 AM:

" what a great idea!!!!! Id sign it and im sure 80% of bismarck would sign it....why not have the petition ready so when we are suppose to go vote on these "art" projects, we can sign the petition instead.....let me know when and where "

krten wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:28 AM:

" KUDOS to the UTTC students and staff -- this town needs more beauty and creativity! Absolutely nothing wrong with an eagle, after all it is the national bird of the US, and is the country's most visible symbol. Take pride in the art and the symbolism! "

Petition Drive wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Can those of us that think this is a negative for Bismarck,
start a petiton drive or take legal action to have them
removed. Just a thought. "

qfee wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:16 AM:

" why is tax payers money being GIVEN to a non profit private institution? "

lwa wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:12 AM:

" Shame on you people! Mr. Pruse is a well-respected artist and businessman in this community. He puts in countless hours working with his students. The students are young people who are scared to death to be in this town anyway and then they read comments like yours.

"In the name of art" - the reason there aren't enough baseball diamonds for kids to use is because they are all being used by Peter Pan adults who play softball in the evenings. Give up some softball nights and let the kids play. Also, how about the nice regulation size diamonds by Century that were converted to a dog park?

"BB" and "Al Gee" - The original agreement between UTTC and the city was for art projects specific to the eagle theme. It's kind of like telling O'Keeffe and Monet to that we are tired of their flower art! "

2 Cents wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:11 AM:

" This town could use more public Art. I applaud those students for seeing the need and taking the initiative to do something about it. Money well spent. "

m wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:08 AM:

" i am all for some of the park and rec money going to art projects by the river or other locations in bismarck. bismarck has always been lacking on culture and always lacks on beautifying the city with what tons of extra money parks and rec must have. it would be nice for a change to have bismarck use the money for something technically unnecessary. however, i agree that the eagle idea has been overdone. spend the money, but lets see some other types of art as well. "

Equality for all wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:07 AM:

" Are these "Eagle sculptures" bordering on a religous nature. The Spirt cloud scultpure leads in the end to a "thunderstorm of spirits". What if a Christian, Muslim, whatever group wanted to put in a Crucifix, or Muhammed, or Buda. These are spirtitual elements of other religions. The Park board would most likely state a seperation of church and state would not allow them to approve such a statue. I know that UTTC is trying to become a bigger part of Bismarck and thats great. But how do I explain to my daughter that a buffalo turing into a cloud of spirits is another cultures idea of "religion" that can be viewed in a public park but a statue of Jesus can't be placed there. ???? "

Edward wrote on Apr 18, 2008 8:40 AM:

" And these eagles don't sound like religious symbols? "

Again? wrote on Apr 18, 2008 8:23 AM:

" I vote for NONE. Do we need more of these hideous sculptures? Don't we have enough with the ugly ones already along the river? How about they put them on the college campus? "

aaaa wrote on Apr 18, 2008 8:18 AM:

" keep the parks natural, just grass and trees, we dont need structures on the land, isnt that the native way? How come UTTC doesnt have any on these structures on there campus? "

BB wrote on Apr 18, 2008 8:16 AM:

" As a Native American Woman in the Bis-Man community i would have hoped they could do something other then another Eagle sculpture is that all they know how to do i would like to see some other things then Eagle art!!!!! "

In the name of art wrote on Apr 18, 2008 7:57 AM:

" It's funny how we spend parks and rec tax money on these sculptures all in the name of art. How about we spend it on Baseball in the name of recreation? "

How Much More? wrote on Apr 18, 2008 7:51 AM:

" The city of Bismarck needs to take a stand against the Park Board, and the
building of this garbage in our city. This so called art is nothing but an eye sore along the river. Relocate the current sculptures, and all future ones to the
city landfill. "

Al Gee wrote on Apr 18, 2008 7:41 AM:

" How many eagles does one town need? Do you think we could throw in a duck-billed platypus for some variety? "

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